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		<title>Comment on What exactly are the police and criminal justice system for? by Helene</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/what-exactly-are-the-police-and-criminal-justice-system-for/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anarchists will represent during action not bullshit.</description>
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		<title>Comment on What exactly are the police and criminal justice system for? by lynnsawyer</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/what-exactly-are-the-police-and-criminal-justice-system-for/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>lynnsawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough comment, but no need to get incensed. My point was simply that the police do stuff that is important and which would have to be taken over by others in an anarchist society.   I do not have any answers myself as to who will take over clearing up after, car crashes, investigating murders and rapes etc. I am genuinely interested in what solutions others may have for sorting out problems which would be faced by any future society. I am interested in what suggestions you have. I do not like what the police stand for or how they oppress many groups but I do believe in giving credit where it is due e.g if a PC rescues a child from a burning car or stops someone getting a beating. 
I think we agree that the police are a bad thing in general. If however we want rid, we have to work out how we  as independant communities are going to take responsiblity for the crap that they currently deal with(or even don&#039;t bother dealing with) which will still exist to some extent however idyllic any future society might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough comment, but no need to get incensed. My point was simply that the police do stuff that is important and which would have to be taken over by others in an anarchist society.   I do not have any answers myself as to who will take over clearing up after, car crashes, investigating murders and rapes etc. I am genuinely interested in what solutions others may have for sorting out problems which would be faced by any future society. I am interested in what suggestions you have. I do not like what the police stand for or how they oppress many groups but I do believe in giving credit where it is due e.g if a PC rescues a child from a burning car or stops someone getting a beating.<br />
I think we agree that the police are a bad thing in general. If however we want rid, we have to work out how we  as independant communities are going to take responsiblity for the crap that they currently deal with(or even don&#8217;t bother dealing with) which will still exist to some extent however idyllic any future society might be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What exactly are the police and criminal justice system for? by Geeta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would be very unfair to the police not to recognise the very hard and dangerous work they often do, even from an anarchist perspective&quot;

Fucking bullshit. I&#039;m incensed. Anarchists have opposed the idea of &#039;police&#039; for centuries and when one gets fucked we smile. Get real and rub your bullshit out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would be very unfair to the police not to recognise the very hard and dangerous work they often do, even from an anarchist perspective&#8221;</p>
<p>Fucking bullshit. I&#8217;m incensed. Anarchists have opposed the idea of &#8216;police&#8217; for centuries and when one gets fucked we smile. Get real and rub your bullshit out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Terrorism Act 2000 urgent alert to all activists coming into the UK by David</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/terrorism-act-2000-urgent-alert-to-all-activists-coming-into-the-uk/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn should complain to Lord Carlisle http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/legislation/independent-review-legislation/

Then he will not honestly be able to claim, as he did in his 2007 report http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/lord-carlile-report-07/lord-carliles-report-2008?view=Binary section 145, that nobody has complained to him about this.  The posting here would do as the basis of a complaint.

He will still demonstrate that he is out of touch with the real world which campaigners live in by writing things like section 159 of that report.

The code of practice the police are supposed to follow is at http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/Code-of-Practice-for-Examin1.pdf?view=Binary and may provide further things to complain about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn should complain to Lord Carlisle <a href="http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/legislation/independent-review-legislation/" rel="nofollow">http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/legislation/independent-review-legislation/</a></p>
<p>Then he will not honestly be able to claim, as he did in his 2007 report <a href="http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/lord-carlile-report-07/lord-carliles-report-2008?view=Binary" rel="nofollow">http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/lord-carlile-report-07/lord-carliles-report-2008?view=Binary</a> section 145, that nobody has complained to him about this.  The posting here would do as the basis of a complaint.</p>
<p>He will still demonstrate that he is out of touch with the real world which campaigners live in by writing things like section 159 of that report.</p>
<p>The code of practice the police are supposed to follow is at <a href="http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/Code-of-Practice-for-Examin1.pdf?view=Binary" rel="nofollow">http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-publications/publication-search/terrorism-act-2000/Code-of-Practice-for-Examin1.pdf?view=Binary</a> and may provide further things to complain about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contact Us by westernanimalrightsnetwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>westernanimalrightsnetwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We always appreciate any info you have that you think would be useful to us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We always appreciate any info you have that you think would be useful to us</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Tom Worby, a hunt sab, was killed by Cem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom&#039;s girlfriend...years have passed and it seems you have understood nothing. Alex...just shut up.evil hunt scum is the perfect term here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8217;s girlfriend&#8230;years have passed and it seems you have understood nothing. Alex&#8230;just shut up.evil hunt scum is the perfect term here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Netcu Watch // The Truth About Gladys Hammond by Churchvictims</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/netcu-watch-the-truth-about-gladys-hammond/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Churchvictims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important details about the timing of the discovery of the grave disturbance. Also 2 highly relevant media stories about the discovery itself are now missing from the online archives:

Firstly, it is very interesting to note the dates of the discovery of the grave disturbance. The Burton Mail (Nermin Oomer) reports that Police believe &#039;the grave (of Gladys Hammond) was dug up on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning...&#039;

The BBC reports &#039;Ms. Lister, who first reported the matter to police on Thursday...

So when was it reported?

Apparently, Jenny Lister was notified of the grave problem by a parishoner.

Unfortunately, the following media stories seem to have disappeared from the online archives. I have searched but they appear to be missing.

Report 1:

Burton Mail 9.10.04 OAP TELLS OF GRAVE FIND by NERMIN OOMER - A PENSIONER has told how she discovered the grave of an elderly woman which is believed to have been dug up by animal rights activists. Police and church leaders have condemned the &#039;sick and despicable&#039; criminals who &#039;seriously desecrated&#039; the grave of Gladys Hammond ? the mother in law of Newchurch guinea pig farm owner Chris Hall?. (story)


Report 2

The BBC story that appeared, possibly on the 8th October, in which Rev. Jenny Lister describes how a woman parishioner of outstanding (or was it ‘upright’) character alerted Jenny to the grave disturbance.

How strange that both stories are missing. There must be copies somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important details about the timing of the discovery of the grave disturbance. Also 2 highly relevant media stories about the discovery itself are now missing from the online archives:</p>
<p>Firstly, it is very interesting to note the dates of the discovery of the grave disturbance. The Burton Mail (Nermin Oomer) reports that Police believe &#8216;the grave (of Gladys Hammond) was dug up on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>The BBC reports &#8216;Ms. Lister, who first reported the matter to police on Thursday&#8230;</p>
<p>So when was it reported?</p>
<p>Apparently, Jenny Lister was notified of the grave problem by a parishoner.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the following media stories seem to have disappeared from the online archives. I have searched but they appear to be missing.</p>
<p>Report 1:</p>
<p>Burton Mail 9.10.04 OAP TELLS OF GRAVE FIND by NERMIN OOMER &#8211; A PENSIONER has told how she discovered the grave of an elderly woman which is believed to have been dug up by animal rights activists. Police and church leaders have condemned the &#8217;sick and despicable&#8217; criminals who &#8217;seriously desecrated&#8217; the grave of Gladys Hammond ? the mother in law of Newchurch guinea pig farm owner Chris Hall?. (story)</p>
<p>Report 2</p>
<p>The BBC story that appeared, possibly on the 8th October, in which Rev. Jenny Lister describes how a woman parishioner of outstanding (or was it ‘upright’) character alerted Jenny to the grave disturbance.</p>
<p>How strange that both stories are missing. There must be copies somewhere?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Netcu Watch // The Truth About Gladys Hammond by Churchvictims</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/netcu-watch-the-truth-about-gladys-hammond/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Churchvictims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important details about the discovery of the bodies, and 2 highly relevant media stories about the &#039;discovery&#039; are now missing from the online archives:

Firstly, it is very interesting to note the dates of the discovery of the grave disturbance. The Burton Mail (Nermin Oomer) reports that Police believe &#039;the grave (of Gladys Hammond) was dug up on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning...&#039;

The BBC reports &#039;Ms. Lister, who first reported the matter to police on Thursday...

So when was it reported?

Apparently, Jenny Lister was notified of the grave problem by a parishoner.

Unfortunately, the following media stories seem to have disappeared from the online archives. I have searched but they appear to be missing.

Report 1:

Burton Mail 9.10.04 OAP TELLS OF GRAVE FIND by NERMIN OOMER - A PENSIONER has told how she discovered the grave of an elderly woman which is believed to have been dug up by animal rights activists. Police and church leaders have condemned the &#039;sick and despicable&#039; criminals who &#039;seriously desecrated&#039; the grave of Gladys Hammond ? the mother in law of Newchurch guinea pig farm owner Chris Hall?. (story)


Report 2

The BBC story that appeared, possibly on the 8th October, in which Rev. Jenny Lister describes how a woman parishioner of outstanding (or was it ‘upright’) character alerted Jenny to the grave disturbance.

How strange that both stories are missing. There must be copies somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important details about the discovery of the bodies, and 2 highly relevant media stories about the &#8216;discovery&#8217; are now missing from the online archives:</p>
<p>Firstly, it is very interesting to note the dates of the discovery of the grave disturbance. The Burton Mail (Nermin Oomer) reports that Police believe &#8216;the grave (of Gladys Hammond) was dug up on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>The BBC reports &#8216;Ms. Lister, who first reported the matter to police on Thursday&#8230;</p>
<p>So when was it reported?</p>
<p>Apparently, Jenny Lister was notified of the grave problem by a parishoner.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the following media stories seem to have disappeared from the online archives. I have searched but they appear to be missing.</p>
<p>Report 1:</p>
<p>Burton Mail 9.10.04 OAP TELLS OF GRAVE FIND by NERMIN OOMER &#8211; A PENSIONER has told how she discovered the grave of an elderly woman which is believed to have been dug up by animal rights activists. Police and church leaders have condemned the &#8217;sick and despicable&#8217; criminals who &#8217;seriously desecrated&#8217; the grave of Gladys Hammond ? the mother in law of Newchurch guinea pig farm owner Chris Hall?. (story)</p>
<p>Report 2</p>
<p>The BBC story that appeared, possibly on the 8th October, in which Rev. Jenny Lister describes how a woman parishioner of outstanding (or was it ‘upright’) character alerted Jenny to the grave disturbance.</p>
<p>How strange that both stories are missing. There must be copies somewhere?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Netcu Watch // The Truth About Gladys Hammond by Churchvictims</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/netcu-watch-the-truth-about-gladys-hammond/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Churchvictims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further detail on timings of the allegations aginst Rev Peter Lister:

The allegations made against the Reverend Peter Lister (formerly of Morpeth, Northumberland, and Yoxall) were made verbally to Northumbria Police before October 2004, i.e. before the Gladys Hammond events began; the allegations were first raised against him in September and recorded on paper and on video tape in November 2004. 

There was clear evidence against Rev Peter Lister, so the case was taken on by the Crown Prosecution Service to be heard at Newcastle Crown Court. The judge stopped it on the morning of the trial, in November 2005, saying that the events could never have happened. 

A policewoman wrote up the allegations made by the victim against Rev Peter Lister; these allegations were of serious sexual abuse were then transcribed and written up by the policewoman as the victim&#039;s statement. 

At court, it became clear that something was wrong. 
The policewoman somehow managed to put into the statement &#039;the wrong dates&#039;. She did this despite being told the correct dates (we have a CD copy of the verbal statement made to Northumbria Police that proves that the correct dates were given to the policewoman). It appears that she was somehow unable to type in the correct dates, but she did mange to put in the wrong ones.

This is how the Rev. Peter Lister managed to avoid trial at Newcastle Crown Court. 

It is extremely unusual for a case to be aborted at the last minute in terms of the prosecution offering no evidence.

The evidence was there. That&#039;s why the CPS took the case all the way to Crown Court.

During the investigation, the Police (Staffordshire and Northumbria) appeared to fail to arrest the Rev. Peter Lister until after Christmas 2004 as they, allegedly, &#039;didn&#039;t have enough police officers&#039;. 

2 Independent Police Commission Complaint investigations have led to the police denying every one of 20 or so charges of incompetence made against them relating to their investigation of Peter Lister.

The Gladys Hammond events happened in the church graveyard of the parish run by Rev Peter Lister and his wife the Rev Jenny Lister,. and occurred at the same time that the Rev Peter Lister was accused of sexual abuse against a child. 

After the case of sexual abuse against the Rev. Peter Lister was dropped, he was reinstated as the Director of Education, Lichfield Diocese, looking after hundreds of schools. 

He then took &#039;early retirement&#039;. 

We believe that the Police investigation of the case aginst Peter Lister was flawed. They&#039;ve admitted that they got the dates wrong yet refuse to accept liability. The roles of both the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the case of R. vs Rev. Peter Lister need to be reviewed.

The problems in reviewing the case are several, not least

1/ double jeopardy (the same evidence can&#039;t be heard twice).

2/ The Police and CPS both investigate themselves - it is not an independent process. 

3/ There is very little help and financial assistance for people who didn&#039;t get a fair crack of the whip at the hands of the prosecution authorities.

We firmly believe that, for whatever reason, the police and the CPS in the investigation of the Rev. Peter Lister messed up.

Church Victims
Contact email: churchvictims@yahoo.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further detail on timings of the allegations aginst Rev Peter Lister:</p>
<p>The allegations made against the Reverend Peter Lister (formerly of Morpeth, Northumberland, and Yoxall) were made verbally to Northumbria Police before October 2004, i.e. before the Gladys Hammond events began; the allegations were first raised against him in September and recorded on paper and on video tape in November 2004. </p>
<p>There was clear evidence against Rev Peter Lister, so the case was taken on by the Crown Prosecution Service to be heard at Newcastle Crown Court. The judge stopped it on the morning of the trial, in November 2005, saying that the events could never have happened. </p>
<p>A policewoman wrote up the allegations made by the victim against Rev Peter Lister; these allegations were of serious sexual abuse were then transcribed and written up by the policewoman as the victim&#8217;s statement. </p>
<p>At court, it became clear that something was wrong.<br />
The policewoman somehow managed to put into the statement &#8216;the wrong dates&#8217;. She did this despite being told the correct dates (we have a CD copy of the verbal statement made to Northumbria Police that proves that the correct dates were given to the policewoman). It appears that she was somehow unable to type in the correct dates, but she did mange to put in the wrong ones.</p>
<p>This is how the Rev. Peter Lister managed to avoid trial at Newcastle Crown Court. </p>
<p>It is extremely unusual for a case to be aborted at the last minute in terms of the prosecution offering no evidence.</p>
<p>The evidence was there. That&#8217;s why the CPS took the case all the way to Crown Court.</p>
<p>During the investigation, the Police (Staffordshire and Northumbria) appeared to fail to arrest the Rev. Peter Lister until after Christmas 2004 as they, allegedly, &#8216;didn&#8217;t have enough police officers&#8217;. </p>
<p>2 Independent Police Commission Complaint investigations have led to the police denying every one of 20 or so charges of incompetence made against them relating to their investigation of Peter Lister.</p>
<p>The Gladys Hammond events happened in the church graveyard of the parish run by Rev Peter Lister and his wife the Rev Jenny Lister,. and occurred at the same time that the Rev Peter Lister was accused of sexual abuse against a child. </p>
<p>After the case of sexual abuse against the Rev. Peter Lister was dropped, he was reinstated as the Director of Education, Lichfield Diocese, looking after hundreds of schools. </p>
<p>He then took &#8216;early retirement&#8217;. </p>
<p>We believe that the Police investigation of the case aginst Peter Lister was flawed. They&#8217;ve admitted that they got the dates wrong yet refuse to accept liability. The roles of both the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the case of R. vs Rev. Peter Lister need to be reviewed.</p>
<p>The problems in reviewing the case are several, not least</p>
<p>1/ double jeopardy (the same evidence can&#8217;t be heard twice).</p>
<p>2/ The Police and CPS both investigate themselves &#8211; it is not an independent process. </p>
<p>3/ There is very little help and financial assistance for people who didn&#8217;t get a fair crack of the whip at the hands of the prosecution authorities.</p>
<p>We firmly believe that, for whatever reason, the police and the CPS in the investigation of the Rev. Peter Lister messed up.</p>
<p>Church Victims<br />
Contact email: <a href="mailto:churchvictims@yahoo.co.uk">churchvictims@yahoo.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Shac Watch &#8211; Seriously&#8230; No Seriously&#8230; by SHACWATCH SUCKS</title>
		<link>http://netcu.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/shac-watch-seriously-no-seriously/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>SHACWATCH SUCKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHACWATCH is done by someone who has no idea at all about HLS. HLS are a disgusting company that have broken the law, the Good Lab Practice, were caught on Channel 4 punching puppies, pretending to have sex with dogs and falsifying test data. 
How on earth can anyone want to see the SHAC people in jail? 
HLS should be shut down. It should be shut down using the law but it seems that they the law are not on the side of the law ...but are on the side of HLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHACWATCH is done by someone who has no idea at all about HLS. HLS are a disgusting company that have broken the law, the Good Lab Practice, were caught on Channel 4 punching puppies, pretending to have sex with dogs and falsifying test data.<br />
How on earth can anyone want to see the SHAC people in jail?<br />
HLS should be shut down. It should be shut down using the law but it seems that they the law are not on the side of the law &#8230;but are on the side of HLS.</p>
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