DIVIDE AND CONQUER

DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Lately there have been many negative comments across Indymedia concerning mostly WARN but also SHAC and other campaigns. None of us has an issue about criticism as long as it is constructive or even outright dislike, we cannot expect to all get on. Debate is healthy of course we are all individuals. We will do the best we can whilst we remain at liberty and strongly suggest that others who do not like our methods show us all up by creating something much better.
What we do have an issue with are not opinions or personal insults but lies especially fabrications about Sean’s case and about SHAC, especially when some of those being lied about are in prison and unable to defend themselves. There have been many posts concerning informers and/or infiltrators in SHAC and WARN. It appears that every post now is accompanied with comments insisting that both groups are either run by the police or that the police have infiltrated. Not one scrap of evidence has ever backed up these claims just vague nonsense about how grasses are under current investigation by these unknown people. Any activist actually investigating someone they suspect of being a grass would hardly warn that person by posting publicly that they were doing so and so we can safely assume that this is unsubstantiated nonsense unless of course actual evidence emerges one fine day. By the way, we all know full well that lots of people have been approached to be informers, that there may well be infiltrators and that some activists have become grasses in the past, but at present no one of us have any suspicions about our fellows and despite many statements to the contrary no-one has actually shown us any evidence of any wrong-doing, in fact despite asking many different groups and individuals no inkling of any evidence has come to light.

These comments are made maybe by some who are genuine but disgruntled but in the main to cause rifts in the animal rights movement, to alienate the movement from other movements, to put off new people, to create a climate of fear, to isolate individuals, to give our enemies in the media and the state ammunition, to stop people posting actions or to stop actions as people might be fearful of such vicious criticism, to imply that Sean partook of illegal acts and to get information from outraged activists who feel that they have to respond to this nonsense giving facts. The fact that Indymedia has been used as a tool with which to spread this poison is something we should all learn from.
What has really made us suspect that it is the police or vivisectors behind some of these allegations are the recent outright fibs which make Jackanory look like a serious documentary! The whoppers under “Solidarity for Political prisoner Sean Kirtley” are real gems and most certainly NOT made by anyone genuine. They have now been hidden.

They say

2 grasses sold his details for £900 and copied his pc details while he was on the London action in return for a shorter sentence for herself.

We say

Sean never went to London, we have no idea what £900 was given to 2 activists and no-one has enlightened us. NO female was imprisoned. Someone else goes on to say that Lauren Gazzola grassed up Sean, hardly likely as they never met, she is a great activist who would never sell out, she is in prison in the USA and was not even in the UK when all of these heinous banner waving acts were taking place. Pure lies

They say

Someone in the SSAT organisation copied Sean’s hard drive and these people are now isolated from membership details and operations

We say

WHAT organisation? SSAT was a website updated by Sean which even Judge Ross said was legal, there have never been any membership details and as for “operations” well we are not aware of any. Seans hard drive was taken by the police when they smashed his door in in May2006 they possibly copied it themselves, not that there was anything incriminating on his hard drive anyway other than that he knew other vegans in Worcestershire. Again claims are made about the hard drive being copied by a grass but no evidence whatsoever.

They say

SHAC is infiltrated and that they have known about it for 4 years.

We say

Making such an allegation has VERY serious implications for the animal rights movement especially Greg, Natasha, Heather and Dan who are in prison and for all of the other defendants. Anyone genuine would have made sure that they had decent evidence before confronting the suspect then publicising details so that people could defend themselves by isolating the informer/infiltrator. Stating that SHAC is full of grasses with no evidence is shit stirring pure and simple. It is no good to claim as these jokers do that they are continuing to investigate because if they were doing so they effectively warned their target and we suspect that it is not because they are grossly incompetent but because they are in fact police officers who want everyone suspecting everyone else.

They say

Well they start using our names and using them to make comments we would not make. Notably Lynn Sawyer saying that a post from her was not hers. Using Chris Potter’s name on the Fit watch site to criticise Fit watch. Posting something that could have been incriminating signed “VPSG” (known as Vegan Prisoners Support Group, who NEVER post on anything but their own website).

We say

Do not assume that a post/ article/whatever is necessarily from who it says it is from especially if it is really nasty/ inflammatory. Check with the campaign/individual concerned. For the record we are opposed to fascism, sexism, racism, homophobia and destruction of the environment we would never attack any activists who are striving for human liberation even though we do not actively support every campaign this is due to time constraints not because we do not care. Running a women’s group, fighting against climate change, stopping asylum seekers being sent back to torture and death, fighting fascists? We salute you all and if you see a comment which is really derogatory (as opposed to disagreeing about something) signed off by an animal rights person or group be absolutely sure that it is an attempt to divide and conquer and please contact us here at Netcu Watch for clarification.

They say

They received an email from Lynn Sawyer when her email was down

We say

The old email address had expired 2 weeks before as Lynn had not paid orange any money after changing her account, unbeknown to her orange cancelled the email address.

They say

That the WARN “grouping” have knowingly had a problem with police infiltration which is a “major problem”, Apparently Chris spoke to someone called Sara about this.

We say

We have no reason to suspect that there are any grasses/infiltrators and no-one has given us any information that would make us have any suspicions. We do not know anyone called Sara or Mark in this area! “Mark” refused to say who copied Sean’s hard drive,(despite being asked) probably because no activist actually did so!

They say

Sean was grassed up, so were others.

We say

Who, when, what, where and why? Despite these people or person (using many different names) mentioning “clear evidence” none at all has been shown to anyone. We think that if there was evidence first of all it would have been shown to those involved or their lawyers. There is no evidence that anyone we know has heard of let alone seen. As for stifling debate defending ourselves against outrageous stories is hardly that, neither is demanding hard evidence. Allegations without evidence are the worst of both worlds, paranoia and panic without the information that people need to protect themselves.

They say

Something about Sean’s kitchen getting damaged.

We say.

Pure Jackanory, Sean’s kitchen was not damaged and we have discussed this with his partner who we think as she lives with him might have noticed!

They use

The Veggies email address

We say

Well it adds a tiny bit of credibility to their account shame that we can all compare notes with one another eh? No-one from Veggies posted anything about Sean’s kitchen we have checked!

They say

“ALF” activists arrested and posted this on 2 occasions.

We say.

This could be used by police theoretically against those arrested. The police do watch Indymedia and did reportedly mention it to at least one person arrested. They have also been known to post on Indymedia.

They say

Because people have been arrested that the movement is rife with informers

We say

There is no evidence of that at present although people should be aware of the fact that informers/infiltrators are a hazard to be aware of and take precautions against without paranoia. The police can arrest people with very little evidence if they so wish, they are also more than capable of putting tracers on vehicles, watching CCTV, bugging houses and places like pubs, following people on foot and all manner of surveillance. It is not unknown for the police to “frame” suspects and at the moment animal rights activists are flavour of the decade. Informers/infiltrators may be important to them but they have plenty of other weapons in the arsenal.

They say

We are hiding our head in the sand.

We say

Questioning some vague accusation that there are informers/infiltrators is hardly ignoring the problem! Bear in mind that no information other than SHAC and WARN are supposedly infiltrated has been given which is of no use whatsoever. It is hardly likely that anyone genuine would post this nonsense but giving them the benefit of the doubt a few questions …What exactly do you expect people to do with the information “SHAC and WARN are infiltrated”? Do you not think that this accusation requires some explanation? Do you really expect us to suspect people we have known well for years (in some cases decades) on the say so of someone putting up an unsubstantiated and anonymous post? Activists across the movement meet one another often and not one person has voiced any suspicions to anyone else face to face or at ANY meeting despite the fact that we can be a pretty argumentative bunch.

They say

Ha ha look at the low numbers

We say

So What? Sean was sent to prison for 4 and a half years for peacefully protesting against vivisection and activists are still outside labs and leafleting despite the threat of having their lives turned upside down. Nationals still attract hundreds of people and that is without the subsidised coaches of yesteryear. Those marching against vivisection attract greater numbers than those marching for it despite the fact that vivisection employs a few thousand directly, all in all they can’t even be arsed to defend their “vocation” whereas we potentially risk our liberty when we demonstrate. One person can demonstrate and be very effective.

We also say.

Informers and infiltrators are a real danger the sample of comments above do not in any way assist any activist in basic security. Vague accusations cause untold harm only solid proof, and nothing less, should enter the public arena. Another reason behind these wild rumours is that in future those who have evidence of grasses/infiltrators and wish to expose them may find it more difficult to do so because the police have already used it as a tactic to divide and rule.

Needless to say this attempt to split us has failed miserably.

One thing of which we are fairly certain is that the police are scheming against us. Maybe not the nice Ledbury bobby who attends the demos but the membership of Operation Achilles and Tornardo (more like Operation damp drizzle) and of course NETCU are up to something. It is possible that once they have worked out a formula that doesn’t involve waste millions of pounds with activists being acquitted by juries as they have done no more than peaceful protest that they will move in for the kill. Rushing through a new law or ensuring that there is no jury might be ways around this, or maybe the staging of some heinous act which is attributed to animal rights people, after all there are still lots of queries surrounding Gladys Hammond and Mel Broughton certainly did not commit arson. We will make it very clear to any police officer reading this that we will fight for freedom to protest every step of the way as did the Sequani 6, no deals! We are very much on our guard and ask that in the event we are carted off one morning that other activists question everything the press say and carry on campaigning in whatever way seems right.

It is possible that a real media circus is brewing with the SHAC trial we should support one another, keep our cool even in the face of gross oppression and never ever give up. The fact that hundreds still march at HLS, at Sequani, at Wickham and that more robust activities are increasing is hardly a failure, certainly not in the current climate. We may be fighting overwhelming odds but we always have done. To keep on fighting is what counts, to know that we have done our best and to maintain hope that one day we will live in a world where all living creatures, including humans, are treated with compassion and respect.

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One Response

  1. Hey – I thought you said that SHAC wasn’t infiltrated?
    How many more moles are there? How long have you known? Why do you keep lying about it?

    IP: Noted… thanks. ShacWatch?

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